Podcast #449- The engine episode

Join Dave and me as we dedicate this entire podcast to the Formula 1 engine. We discus the 2016 issues with Red Bull, white-label engines, Are these engines slower than the V8 era?, who will bid the FIA engine tender for 2017?, can Pirelli gain 4-seconds per lap through tire research?

Point is, we cover a lot of ground and Dave has all the metrics to share with you as we compare the V8’s to this year’s Power Unit.

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Engines – Wouldn’t the proposed non-hybrid engines still have to meet the same CG and mounting requirements? I would think so. That could make updating an existing AER, Ilmore or Pure a bit more difficult.

Tires – Adding mechanical grip thru tires does not make closer racing because its the same for everybody. Gaining 4 seconds a lap thru tires is more about marketing than it is about racing. Removing the aero penalty in the draft is the answer to closer racing.

Negative Camber

I think that’s what Dave was referring to. More mechanical grip devices such as the tires and less aero. not that the tires alone would be the complete answer to closer racing.

Paul KieferJr

1. No, Ferrari’s not there, but they will be next year. 2. I agree, this was the progress I was predicting. I think that Ferrari and Williams should be able to catch up, perhaps this year or next. I’m worried about Red Bull and fear that they may go backwards unless something drastic happens. 3. So, if I breathe, is that a token? 4. If I say how many vetoes McLaren has, will they have to kill me? 5. I dunno: It sounds like a monopolization. 6. Maybe it is a strong-arm tactic that the FIA is using, but if… Read more »


Great idea to upload all the podcasts to Soundcloud. Could you also include the oldest ones, right from the beginning? I discovered your site around podcast # 200, and years ago I tried to download the whole back-catalogue, but some links didn’t work, and since then I couldn’t be bothered because on this site, I’d have to navigate there by a thousand clicks in small increments – there are no navigation elements like “last” or “oldest” for the podcast list. That’s why I’m hoping for you to upload the whole shebang to Soundcloud. I enjoyed the engine podcast very much,… Read more »


There is no substitute for Grace on a podcast.


No offense intended. Talking about firing orders is a big tick in my book, and I also hope to see you (hear from you) in more podcasts, Dave.


None taken.

Louis Jansen

Thanks for the podcast! I was surprised to find it already on the Sunday. And compliments to Dave and his efforts to explain the current engine regulations. I like to hear his opinions and he shows good sense of humor! I don’t like the sound of these turbo-hybrid engines, but I must admit that I only heard them on tv. I visited the 2013 Italian GP at Monza and was so impressed with the atmospheric engine sounds! OK, accepting that this current engine format is what we have, watching F1 is still fun and as Dutch fan there is nothing… Read more »

Joseph Simmons

Thanks for the informative engine podcast! It was thought provoking about 3 points. One, Mercedes seems to have mastered qualifying mapping system which gains a true advantage over the rest of the grid. This allows a the team to control race pace from the front. Not often, but they can struggle when trapped in the mid-field like Malaysia and Hungary for example. Mercedes has demonstrated outstanding mechanical grip, and lastly, there aerodynamics are equal to Red Bull this season. In some ways, this discussion on engines reminds me of the 2003 season where Ferrari had better grip/areo package than Williams/BMW… Read more »


This was great, thank you so much. I would be interested in Dave’s opinion about the interaction between car design and the performance of this year’s engines. McLaren’s woes have been squarely placed on Honda, but it seems increasingly clear the major flaw in the Honda’s engine design was mandated by McLaren in the hope of a smaller package to fit where they wanted in the car. One can’t help wonder about Renault’s reliability problems occuring in Adrian Newey designs, which are infamous for allowing no cooling air. Are Honda and Renault making junk, or have their efforts been squished… Read more »