Formula1blog.com Podcast #548: Mexican GP Review

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Join Paul and me as we review the Formula 1 Mexican Grand Prix. We cover each team as they finished and each driver as they finished…which seems obvious…and we hand out awards. We also discuss the the, in Paul’s mind, very reality that perhaps Seb did purposefully clout Hamilton and much more.

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p1ngu

Donkey Of The Day? NC, I think you’re reading a little too much into this. Unless there are other quotes, what I saw was this: “I want to go out at the top …I could do the easy thing, like obviously Nico did, which is just stop and retreat with these four titles. But I think there’s more in me. I think there’s more to come, more of a challenge. There’s harder times ahead and I like that, I love that. That’s challenging and it would be so boring without it.” I don’t quite get where you see that as… Read more »

Paul Charsley

I wouldn’t call it an attack, and i don’t think it was perceived as so, it was just a statement of why bring up Nico and how he “retreated” and did the “easy” thing (which was not easy at all). Just thank everyone for another title and move on, keep it all in the positive rather than take another opportunity to take a dig at Nico, i don’t even know why he is even thinking of him at this time

p1ngu

OK, maybe attack’s a bit strong. But I’m not sure he was even having a dig; it’s certainly not how I read it. The fact is that Nico DID walk away, DID decide to take it easy. I mean, why not; he’s happily married, has a lovely kid and has other things in his life. He also has a well-stuffed bank account and no need to work again, ever. And whilst the decision to walk away may have been hard, the life he’s now leading is waaaaaaaaay easier than before. I imagine all that Hamilton’s looking at is the binary… Read more »

Achim

I think the remark shows how much Nico got under Lewis’ skin by winning the WDC last year. And apparently Lewis is still not over it.

Negative Camber

“I could do the easy thing, like obviously Nico did, which is just stop and retreat” I think that’s a very clear dig at Nico and very ham-fisted to be honest. How does he know it was the “Easy” thing? None of us know what went through Nico’s mind, the pressures he may have. You’ve mentioned a couple times about his wealth and easy lifestyle, that’s a big assumption. Lewis’s life and wealth aren’t factor here? The guys who have families and children and who are still racing are amazing. Kimi, Massa, Vettel to name a few. It’s not easy… Read more »

p1ngu

“I took my decision on Monday evening. After reflecting for a day, the first people I told were Vivian and Georg, followed by Toto.

‘The only thing that makes this decision in any way difficult for me is because I am putting my racing family into a tough situation.”

Nico himself didn’t seem to think it was that difficult to make the decision.

Rock or Something

Sorry to disagree P1ngu but, while I mightn’t have gone as far as donkey, I really do see Todd’s point. To me I don’t see it as offensive as much as I see it as sad, that Lewis can’t be proud of himself with all that he’s accomplished, and is still obsessed with other people and other times, at a moment when he has as much reason as he’ll ever have to be proud and enjoy right now. I suppose it’s part of what drives him to the heights of performance we love watching from him, but seeing what looks… Read more »

Schumi Toronto

VERY WELL SAID!

p1ngu

No, I’d say you were the only one.

He parked where he was asked to, he was interviewed, he celebrated. I agree that the podium was somewhat overshadowed, but the crowd in the amphitheatre wanted to see a champion crowned, and Liberty had organised that they should see precisely that.

Rock or Something

I think he’s referring to ‘over the season’ not just in Mexico. In Mexico, Lewis is the big story and deserves all the attention he got.

johnblair7

I think Lewis was a bit shocked that Nico retired, probably because he wanted a chance to beat him this season. It doesn’t compute to him why Nico would retire. However Nico said last year that he had to dig deeper than ever before and probably do things that didn’t sit right with him. He didn’t want to do that again and I don’t blame him when he’s got a young family.

Rock or Something

1) admire Paul’s analysis of the race start very much, well done. 2) happy for Todd about the engine news coming out of the FIA, they listened to you! (at least some) 3) Lance Stroll – it’s really looking very solid people. It’s as hard on me as it is for all the rest of the world’s underfunded motorsports fanatics and members of the general population who’ve seen that mug once and daydreamed of slapping it, but these are races and results are what matters and he’s really hauling the mail. Way to drive Lance, very nice. 4) David Hobbs… Read more »

JG

So, this is a super weedsy comment, but I think the value of Lewis’s pass on Alonso is being slightly discounted, by a lot of folks. Once Hamilton made it up to 9th, even if Vettel had been able to finish second, Lewis would have still clinched the championship. Lewis would have been ahead by 50 points, with 50 points to play for. Since Lewis also had the tie breaker, having won more races than Vettel, even if Vettel won out for the rest of the season, there would be no way for Vettel to pass him in the championship.… Read more »

Negative Camber

Good point, my bad. I didn’t do the math(s). thanks for pointing that out. AND…it was great fun to watch.

Schumi Toronto

Todd – Thank-you so much for pointing-out Hammy’s words vs. Rosberg. I don’t know how I missed that, but as you pointed out, there is a big difference when you are actually a Dad! If this guy gets a knighthood, I am going to PUKE!

p1ngu

Why so angry? And what does being a father bring to this discussion? There are lots of fathers on the F1 grid, all of whom were puzzled by (though supportive of) Rosberg’s decision.

The only people offended by Hamilton’s comments, it would appear, reside on this website. Hamilton’s remarks were widely reported – they’re still on the BBC website, for example – and other than on here, the only comments I’ve heard were that it shows Hamilton to be a racing obsessive who still can’t understand why anyone would walk away as Rosberg did.

Negative Camber

So by suggesting Nico took the “easy” way out and “retreated” is the kind of denigration it takes to prove Lewis is obsessive about racing? If you have to tear another down to make your case stronger, you’re doing it wrong. Being a dad and husband are bigger priorities to Nico than continuing at Merc with Lewis as a teammate. He made that pretty clear. That’s his decision and calling that decision of choosing fatherhood and his wife over racing at Merc doesn’t mean Nico isn’t racing obsessed or easy or retreating. People can justify it all they want but… Read more »

p1ngu

“Ham-fisted” is a term you’ve used a lot. OK, his name’s HAMilton, but the joke gets old really quickly. I’m a father (as are many on here) and frankly I don’t obsess over Saint Rosberg’s choice to leave F1. I love my kids dearly but there’s no way I’d have walked away if I’d just become world champion. You see his departure as being to do with fatherhood, I see it as being a tacit admission that he got lucky and would never be able to match his achievement. My view (and it’s purely that) is that he did retreat,… Read more »

Negative Camber

We simply see if differently. I don’t believe Nico lucked into the title just as I don’t believe Lewis lucked into this one.

By the way, I say Ham-fisted quite a lot and it is not meant as a joke because it has “HAM” in it. Only Hamfosi would think that. ;)

rob

i think lewis made those remarks as a direct response to nicos article in f1 racing magazine that came out before the mexican gp , the headline was “how i psyched lewis out to beat him ” or words to that effect .
if you think what lewis said about nico was wrong read the article for context , and maybe if todd and paul would stop with the character assassination of lewis at every opportunity
there podcast which on the whole is good and professional would rise above the rest

Negative Camber

That’s a big supposition isn’t it? I haven’t spoken to Lewis about that article to know if that’s what prompted his comment (assume you haven’t either)…I’ve never seen that article nor has most of the world but what we did hear is his comments slating Nico. Also, news and magazine headlines in that rag are meant to stir readership so some liberty is taken when writing the headline. That’s been that way for a long time at F1 racing mag. I stopped reading it years ago. Also, you may have missed all of the “Drive of the Race” awards I… Read more »

rob

lewis isnt beyond reproach far from it , {he’s human all drivers are } there’s no doubt he’s eccentric and has the sartorial elegance of Quentin crisp long lost cousin . but also he doesn’t deserve half of the crud and vitriol he gets from people like the poster below either , and that is a direct result of one sided views on every thing he says and does that doesn’t fit the norms of more conventional drivers , i see it all the time with mr brundle when lewis is tetchy on the radio , mr brundle calls him… Read more »

Negative Camber

The last four years, Lewis has given us ample opportunity to praise and criticize him. When he’s a dork, I mention it, when he’s awesome, I mention it. If you were listening way back when you would have really loved the Turkish opera criticism or his dad crashing into a children’s playground in a Porsche. When he puts himself out there in social media, it has an impact and I’ve argued quite a lot that he’s done more for F1 than F1 has done for itself from a marketing a brand awareness standpoint. One might argue that it is these… Read more »

rob

I think your missing the point I was trying to say is that if Lewis is being a dork as you put it then fine call him on it but this is where I have issues not just with you but some parts of the f1 community is balance , why not call out the others drivers the same , when fernando or kimi or Sebastian have hissy fits on the radio or talking to the media it gets passed of as understandable frustration or amusing buy likes of Croft or brundle ect to single out Lewis as petulant I… Read more »

Negative Camber

I get that. As for Baku, that wasn’t Lewis’s fault. He jammed up the field, caught Seb off guard and Seb punted him. Bonehead move on Seb’s part as was telling Charlie to eff off. Dork. I’ve met and ridden 185mph with Seb, he’s awesome! But he’s not without his moments just as Lewis isn’t. Now, to be fair, and it could just be me, but the mobocracy is normally berating me in defense of Lewis so if you say it’s usually against Lewis, I’ll have to take your word for it. I don’t see that as much. I’ve had… Read more »

jakobusvdl

Wow! An hour twenty race review podcast, that eloquently covered the all the teams as they finished, lots of exciting passing, Renault p.u’s granading every lap, Paul planting trees for Halloween, an awesome race win for the plucky (former) teen, exciting first corner controversy, amazing fightback through the field, a world championship settled, and all the comments are debating a criticism of Hamilton’s character……hummm
Come on F1B fans there’s more to F1 than debating the soap opera of driver ‘personalities’

Negative Camber

Paul is quite the horticulturalist.

jakobusvdl

I’ve heard people say he’s a real hor-ti-something or other ;-)

Negative Camber

Yep, It is a bit odd that folks have a hard time understanding that I can praise Lewis and criticize him in the same sentence. They only hear the criticisms and the praise never registers. Impartiality can be confusing to fans and that’s normal I guess. People accuse me of hating Lewis over the years but perhaps the biggest giveaway in my ability to stand back from an issue is my criticism of Ferrari. Everyone knows I am a Ferrari fan and yet no one gets upset about the numerous times I’ve been critical of the team. They only seem… Read more »

p1ngu

You need to lose the thin skin and the slight air of paranoia. You run a podcast and people are going to criticise; if you aren’t prepared for that then disable comments or delete the worst of the offenders. There are those who will hear no evil of Lewis Hamilton, but I’m not one of them. I’m not reacting to your words because they’re uttered about Hamilton, but because I think you’re simply wrong, and are projecting your own interpretation onto someone elses’s words. I’d have said the same if you were talking about any other driver. Note: If you’re… Read more »

Negative Camber

It’s not think skin at all. I get it that you don’t agree, that’s perfectly fine. If you think my criticism was harsh based on what he said, I completely understand that. I’ve argued my counter thoughts on your critique of my critique, it’s not think skin. I’m not bleating on about people sending me hate mail about Lewis (yes they do) and I certainly am not unhinged about people not agreeing with me or having a different view. Perfectly fine. My above comment is simply trying to point out that I view all the teams and drivers with as… Read more »

p1ngu

Sorry to hear about the hate mail; that’s just unacceptable. Full disclosure: I’m a bit of a Hamilton fan. There’s the racing, but there was a time when my son was in a wheelchair and we were at Brands Hatch. At one point we happened across Lewis (his brother was racing in the Clio Cup series, we were in the team pits); no cameras, no sponsors, no hype and for short while he was the centre of an injured boy’s attention, asking how he was, assuring him that life would get better, and generally behaving as you’d hope. A real… Read more »

Negative Camber

The email comes with the territory. It’s part of having a podcast and people disagreeing. No worries. That’s a great story. I have a signed hat from Lewis. Never met him though. I can imagine that was a massive thrill for your son to be sure. Those are the kinds of things that detractors most likely never see from Lewis or other F1 drivers. Some people aren’t big Juan Pablo Montoya fans but when I met him and interviewed him two years ago, he brushed his press handler off three times to stay and chat with me. They were trying… Read more »

jakobusvdl

Guess what p1ngu! It hasn’t been that hard to pick that you’re ‘a bit of a Hamilton fan’ – you need to lose the thin skin, and air of paranoia ;-)

That’s a lovely tale about why you’re a Hamilton fan. It’s a shame that’s not the side of his character thats displayed more often.

jakobusvdl

And still the discussion is about the Hamilton……..
Wasn’t it fantastic that the Renault powered Red Bull’s were so competitive at Mexico?
Presumably most of the problems with the other Renault p.u’s were cooling, because Verstappen in clear air didn’t seem to have any issues.
Let’s hope McLaren don’t try to size zero the bodywork around the Renault p.u next year.