McLaren Seeking Clarification…I Mean…Title

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I am a little confused. Is Martin Whitmarsh telling the truth or is the McLaren attorney telling the truth? You be the judge but even Autosport is confused and has picked up on the disparity in their words and actions. McLaren seems to be unraveling in their PR efforts and Press Communications. I thought that’s what they hired Matt Bishop for?

Many, including Grace, have argued that it is principle and that McLaren have had to make a move to seek some clarification lest they be accused of rolling over on the issue of Williams and BMW running cold fuel in the final race that saw Kimi Raikkonen claim the World Driver Championship. If disqualified, Lewis Hamilton would be Champion but the McLaren pundits, including their own Martin Withmarsh, have claimed that is not what they are seeking. Perhaps this is all chest pounding and going thought he motions for law-talking-guys. Perhaps they have to go at this as if they were arguing the complete case in order to press the FIA hard and then see what the FIA renders as judgment. Fairly typical in legal circles. If the attorney were to show up and just say, “could you clarify the rules for us”, it would be of little use to force the FIA to make clear definitive standards to eliminate this issue once and for all.

So in the end, perhaps McLaren are playing hardball with the FIA and forcing them to expose prejudice, establish definitive rules moving forward or to prove incompetence. Either way, the FIA and Max Mosely will not take to this kind of bravado litigation very lightly and I assume this will not be received well in PR circles or FIA relations. Having said that, Ferrari were keen to offer their take on McLaren’s aggressive approach to this WMSC issue:

“shameless hypocrites devoid of any integrity” ~Ferrari’s lawyer Nigel Tozzi

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Negative Camber
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Ah, as I suspected, this from Martin Whitmarsh today after the hearing:

“Our lawyer’s argument that an appropriate penalty would be a disqualification of the cars is based on the fact that this is ordinarily what has occurred during the last 20 years in Formula 1 when there was a breach of a technical regulation during a race.

“Consequently, while this was the only appropriate argument from a legal point of view, it’s not our ultimate goal in respect of today’s hearing.”

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

Your basic Bad Cop Good Cop Scenario for McClaren and their brass Oh no no, it wasn’t us it was OUR LAWYERS that called for the World Championship. You know those LAWYERS, you are either guilty or not guilty. Does this really surprise anyone? If they did not want the title then why “Clarify?” I have said this before, McClaren are desparately trying to gain a world championship any way shape or form. This is good though, cause it gives me a team to HATE for the forseable future and I already hated Lewis so this just dumps much more… Read more »

Negative Camber
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LOL. Those are fightin’ words Bob. When Grace hears you trash-talk her team she’ll be beside herself with disdain. ;)

That being said; I am starting to agree with you. ;) Good post my friend.

Grace
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No post of the week for you! And just when I was about to agree with Todd too. I should have know better. Now my only response is if anyone should know about shameless hypocrites devoid of any integrity, it’s a Ferrari lawyer!

JYS Fan
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JYS Fan

McLaren is pulling a Ferrari, the problem is they don’t have the pull of the FIA behind them…..

So nothing will change, though I’m keeping my fingers crossed, because if they take away Kimi’s title Bernie will retire… well at least that’s what I read on F1Blog….

John “Bye Bernie” Stone

febsterehckya21
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febsterehckya21

I always have liked Nigel Tozzi, hehehe. Sorry Grace. But yes I know what you mean. If they want a clarification of the rules, all the have to do is phone the FIA up and ASK which eliminates the need for a hearing. You only have a hearing when you want somebody getting their rear end handed. Let me translate: “As I made clear prior to the appeal, the team was seeking to clarify the regulatory uncertainty that has arisen from a decision of the FIA Stewards at the 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix and not to win the Driver’s World… Read more »

Architrion
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Architrion

This affair makes me see with different eyes what Alonso should have suffered this season with this team full of hypocrites. Sooner or later Dennis is going to do whatever it takes to make clear that Fernando was the weakest part in the whole story.

Architrion
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Architrion

Talk me now about honesty, integrity and equality policy. For sure.

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

Arch–well said, and it very well may be the case some time next year. You wonder what Juan Pablo or Kimi would say about Ron Dennis if they were not so politically correct (they will not badmouth while they are still in the racing game). Even Coultard let out a little insight into Ron Dennis’s mindset and treatment of his “Other” drivers. All we have to do is go back to June with Ron Dennis’s Whistle Blower Press Conference to see who “Straight Up” old RD is. At lest Ron is a bit smarter on this one and he is… Read more »

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

Grace Grace Grace Grace Grace! (Did I Mention Grace?) It’s ok to feel way you do, I know their are lots of Barry Bonds Fans out there that knows how he beefed up (and enchanced his performance) and all but they still love Barry all the same. I see you are the same way with your $50 Penaltied McClaren Team, its ok to still be a fan — Hold the Torch Tight and Wave it High Now! (just kidding with ya now!) Neg and Grace, how does the “Post of the Week” Voting Work Anyway or do you two just… Read more »

Architrion
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Architrion

LOL….. BTW you know as me that this story happened not so long ago and come full circle from time to time in McLaren`s home. From Prost-Senna war we saw how Alain went straight to Ferrari trying to shut up some nice words dedicated to Ron…. and as result of his nice team management Senna signed to Williams (what really made me happy) with a face full of sadness, crying to the heart to leave a team where he felt Ron like a second dad …..

I really can’t understand why this dramatic character complains about his lack of credibility.

febsterehckya21
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febsterehckya21

To think four, sorry five drivers flat out gave up on Ron. Senna wanted out of his contract, Mika gave up, JPM flew over the pond, Kimi’s hand was forced and Ferd asked to be let out of his contract in the middle of his first season… It really tells you something doesn’t it?

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

Yet They Have Consistently Been A Top Team With Top Manufacturers and Sponsors Behind Them. What’s that Team Name again? Vodaphone McClaren Mercedes– I wonder how Vodaphone Feels about all this? Norbert would never say anything bad about his buddy Ron but if I was a Mercedes F1 exec I would not be too happy about team politics costing a World Championship and Constructors Championship. Oh, and also being associated with an organization that was penalized $50 million for rules violations. As for what I hope will happen with the World Council will be them taking away Williams and BMW’s… Read more »

onthepodium
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onthepodium

nice point Arch. only mclaren, ron, the lawyers, or whoever it is who is in charge there, know what they really want to accomplish. or maybe the don’t!

this whole media circus provides some insight to what alonso was dealing with the whole season. mclaren continues to show itself as one dysfunctional unit: “we want the penalty, but we don’t want to win the championship that way. i love you, but i hate you. kiss me, don’t touch me. i miss you, get out of my sight. we support you fernando, cmon lewis, kick his ass!”

nice off season isn’t it?

Grace
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Nice try everyone but I’m not conceding on this one. I’m not saying Ron is perfect and yes perhaps his driver decisions aren’t the best but I’m sticking with him and my team.

Oh and I pretty much inform Todd who post of the week is so just keep that in mind… ;)

Negative Camber
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Grace, All I have to say about your devotion to macca is this: When you fight the dragon long enough; you become the dragon. Many fans of Ferrari see your devotion to macca as sad as you claim their love of the Scuderia is. It is all relative when you back a team who has pulled the crap Macca has this year. pulling the splinter from their eye is only achievable when you pull the plank from yours. :) Bob, POW is decided through a sophisticated process of weighting each comment for snark, entertainment value and personal style. I’ll let… Read more »

febsterehckya21
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febsterehckya21

First and foremost, Grace your undying devotion for Macca is admirable despite all the whole entire unraveling of their inner dysfunctional workings. But after seeing what has happened to Macca I can’t help but wonder, what is left to admire? Besides the relentlessness (spirit) to grab that championship, honestly I can’t see a darn thing left to count on. Equality, well it’s a broken radio, everyone knows there’s no such thing. Integrity, well they can’t walk away with that this year, especially if they don’t get those points (not that they would if they do). And then there’s the morals,… Read more »

Grace
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You know even if I didn’t think I was completely right, the fact that just about every person on this board has called my opinion BS is all the more reason that I’m not going to step down from it.

Negative Camber
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That’s the spirit!

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

Keep Punch’in Grace Keep Punch’in!!

And Remember we are only knocking your team and their team principles, lawyers, engine partner and a driver or two and some engineers (and his wife)—BUT THATS ALL!

So you see it is not that bad after all

And to think, this all started in a Kinkos with a Ferrari Fan (in England) maning the store.

Grace
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Thanks Bob – that makes me feel significantly better… ;)

Lucas S.
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Lucas S.

Thy may be seeking the title, but they’re not getting it.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63994

Lucas S.

BobHereYo
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BobHereYo

YEAH – KIMI #1

febsterehckya21
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febsterehckya21

Wow hold your horses. Macca’s waiting for the whole transcript, I assume to appeal that too… “Ohh we want to appeal Kimi’s speed during the Brazilian GP. He was too damn fast and young man, you were speeding!”