Red Bull’s Newey: McLaren & Toro Rosso a threat

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Red Bull’s chief genius, Adrian Newey, is bracing himself for a difficult 2016 season. With a renewed relationship that will find a Renault white-labeled engine in the back of their chassis, the team will promptly badge that Power Unit as a Tag Heuer and go racing.

Much has been made of what kind of engine development will be gained over the winter with the Renault and Newey isn’t expecting a lot according to a Motorsport report. He feels that Ferrari and Mercedes will progress and actually views Red Bull’s sister team, Toro Rosso, as well as McLaren-Honda as a real threat:

“Toro Rosso, our sister team by having a 2015 Ferrari, will be considerably ahead of this year’s Renault power unit.

“I believe Honda, what we have seen, will make a good step. I think their internal combustion engine is a reasonable engine.

“Their problem this year has been that they made the recovery units on the turbo, the MGU-H, far too small. But that is an easy problem to address over the winter.

“So, next year’s going to be very difficult for us. It’s really down to, I think, what happens next with the sport, for 2017 and beyond.

“Is there desire from the governing body to allow private teams such as ourselves to properly have competitive engines or not?”

While last year’s anticipation for the McLaren-Honda mashup was most likely over exaggerated, it is worth keeping in mind that the team have learned a lot over 2015 and they are allowed a full 32 tokens of development. IT would not surprise me in the least to see the team make a significant jump in either performance or reliability or both in 2016.

Red Bull will need to hunker down and right-size their expectations for 2016 while they beaver away on a viable engine alternative for 2017. Team boss Christian Horner feels they spooked Ferrari and Mercedes which prevented them securing an engine supply but even if they had a Merc or Ferrari, I’m not sure Newey feels they would have actually “had” a viable version:

“That’s why teams like Mercedes and Ferrari, who build engines, have the advantage. It’s for these teams to supply engines to customer teams, and obviously they don’t get the same software. Then it gets very difficult for the customer teams.

“Right now, we are in a situation where only Mercedes and Ferrari are in a position to win championship titles. That’s the biggest problem in F1, where Mercedes and Ferrari are controlling the sport.”

The way forward isn’t clear but having viable, competitive engine supplies is a key issue for F1 in 2017 and the FIA are set to make regulation changes to be announced some time in January.

Hat Tip: Motorsport and Sky Sports F1

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Giovanni Castello

Everything was fine when RBR was the clear frontrunner being chased by Ferrari, now it’s untenable why?

longshot

Because everyone else was able to copy RBR innovations and compete with them. That’s a different situation from today, where only engine manufacturer teams are able to compete for titles & any customers who look like being a threat are denied access to the same power units. That’s what Newey means when he says only Merc and Ferrari can win. And maybe McHonda if their power unit improves. Nobody else stands a chance, no matter what they do. Also, RBR’s domination (actually, Vettel’s domination would be more accurate) was nothing like Merc’s over the last two years. And by the… Read more »

jakobusvdl

I wonder why Red Bull think the Renault P.U is so flawed that it won’t be able to compete with Mercedes, Ferrari and even Honda?
They had the privileged position as the primary Renault powered team, that worked brilliantly for nearly a decade and they were the front running team. From the outside you’d think RBR would have been best served to work with Renault to get the p.u competitive, and they’d soon be back to being one of the front 4 teams.

longshot

I guess it takes two to tango. They were working together as you describe in early 2014, but progressively RBR became frustrated with Renault and the relationship broke down. From an outsider’s perspective, RBR wanted to help a lot more with the engine but Renault kept them at arm’s length and pursued their own ideas at a very sedate pace, ideas which took forever to deliver and which proved unsuccessful when finally tried on Ricciardo’s car in Brazil.

jakobusvdl

From the outside, it looks like RBR screwed up massively. By their own analysis you can’t win if you aren’t the primary team of a power unit supplier. Their attempts to get Audi on board were embarrassingly clumsy, even if Renault had already told them they were cutting RBR out, they could surely have handled the public side of the negotiations better. Having stuffed that up, the grand standing to try to force Mercedes and then Ferrari to provide them with power units was so unlikely to succeed, you have to wonder why they went that way. Having played such… Read more »

Dr T
jakobusvdl

LOL, Christian Homer????

The Sarcastic SOB

BooHoo Cry me a river, “Genius.”
I hope TR kicks their ass good.