Should F1 teams take ‘tactical’ engine penalty early on?

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With the three-engine limit in 2018, we’ve discussed the idea of teams taking a new engine in Australia and immediately moving their engine total to four for the season-just like they had last year. In fact, we thought it would be funny if all the teams agreed to take the new engine at Australia and giving everyone some breathing room for the 2018 engine penalty chaos that could ensue.

Having said that, I think Mercedes and Ferrari would be reticent to play along as they must feel their reliability is good and the engine penalty is a tactical advantage that can play out over the course of a season.

If you couple that with the thought that maybe Australia isn’t the place you would take the additional engine-perhaps it would be better to take that at Spa or mid-season after you’ve developed it more.

However, if you consider Toro Rosso and their mission to develop their Honda relationship this season and help the Japanese engine manufacturer create a more competitive engine, then this may be an intriguing thought. At least that’s what team boss Franz Tost is thinking as Autosport points out:

“There will come the period where we have to find out if is it better to start with a new power unit from the back instead of using an engine that will have 3000-4000 kilometres on it, and you start losing power after one or two hundred kilometres,” he told Autosport.

“So we will see. But I can tell you now that we will have this discussion. I don’t know when, but we will have it.”

Tost is no fan of the three-engine rule and now with more races on the calendar, it makes even less sense to him:

“Last year manufacturers tried with four engines and less races, and this year we have more races and less engines,” he said.

“I must only say they are totally crazy with this regulation.

“But Ferrari was against it [changing the rules], because others wanted to go with four.

“They [Ferrari] think they have an advantage with three. And it is within the regulations so we have to live with it.

“We have to accept it and how many power units at the end we will need I don’t know.”

You have to couch that statement as one made from a team that doesn’t make their engine, of course, and also consider that Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault would view this as part of their tactical advantage.

Clearly Autosport has been asking other folks about the concept of taking an additional engine and intriguingly enough, my assertion about Renault could be wrong. They may find it advantageous as well if the reduced power output of the engine toward the end of its working life is drastically down.

Renault F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul said: “We want to establish the baseline, we want to know a bit more about ourselves, the performance of the engine as it is right now.

“If it’s better for everyone to use four power units or four V6s, rather than three, we may take that decision. But it’s really too early to talk about that.”

That’s an interesting thought and one that Tost says needs deliberate discussion within the team.

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Adrian
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For the dull end of the grid (as opposed to pointy) would there be an advantage in the championship to taking a new engine, and penalties, frequently (e.g. every 2nd or 3rd race). This could allow a team to forego de-tuning required if you were trying to get by on 3 engines.

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Its going to come down to money, the teams at the dull end of the grid don’t have the budget to be able to run an opportunistic strategy like that, apart from STR if Honda are providing p.u’s at no cost to them.
Its amazing how quickly F1 develops, I wouldn’t be surprised if we find most of the teams get through the season on the 3 p.u’s available, particularly those with a three pointed star on the cam covers.

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sunny stivala

(FIA closes formula 1 engine penalty loophole):- “During any single event, if a driver introduces more than one of a power unit element that is subject to penalty, only the last element fitted may be used at subsequent events without further penalty”.

Barbara
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Barbara

3 Engines for the season is ridiculous anyway with an extra race another stupid rule

Rapierman
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Rapierman

While I would sympathize with those that find going with just three engines on the year a disadvantage (and I’m sure there are many), there is an attitude among some that “gaming the system” (i.e., taking unfair advantage of the rules) is a big taboo. The PGA and NASCAR has this rule against it, and they have been enforced before. Teams really should think twice before going that route.

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Hi Paul, F1 has a long tradition of ‘gaming the system’.
So I don’t think any of the teams would have a problem with it, apart from being annoyed if other teams find a way to game the system more effectively.

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subcritical71

The problem is the FIA have been virtually silent in this regard. There were so many engine penalties last year for strategic advantage and nothing was said. I’d personally like to see a clamp down on the practice. If I recall correctly there was at one time a rule where you could only change the engine (or gearbox) if you failed to finish or the engine let go (say in practice). The teams (minus Mercedes and Ferrari) could come together and all take an extra engine at a particular race. They would then be looking at starting 5th on back…… Read more »

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The first hints of taking a strategic fourth engine came out of Renault, reading what they were saying before and after was confusing to say the least. Here is some of what they were saying before and after they hinted at strategically taking a fourth engine. “Renault will have a fully functioning qualifying mode for this year”. “Renault have done the equivalent of 70k km on the dyno plus one engine doing a full life cycle (7 races) in preparation for this year”. “Renault will not unleash the full potential of its F1 engine for the start of season because… Read more »

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This is where the fans really miss out……shouldn’t we be finding ways to keep a driver as competitive as possible so as to provide entertainment ie let him show his stuff…instead we penalize the guy for something thats not his fault…and send him to the back of the grid Maybe we should bring back the T car for eg…lets find ways of keeping all the drivers on the grid…instead of demoting them

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The FIA (GOVERNING BODY) has a set of rules and regulations in force as to what can be done and what cannot be done re power unite elements usage for 2018. A driver is allowed the use without penalty of:- 3 ICE, 3 TC, 3 MGUH, 2 MGUK, 2 ES, 2 CE for 2018. “Gaming” the system and or “Strategy” moves, there is nothing wrong with such moves by a team as long as they are within the rules/regulations. But those on this here page should remember that:- A driver can chose/take and make use without penalty any of the… Read more »