Tanya Gold is Jewish by the way

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I have often wondered how Jewish people felt about the Max Mosley affair. Then I heard of the Israeli motor club reaction during the Jordanian WRC event and it became clear that they were nonplussed about the concept. I also was intrigued to here the Barrister Anthony Scrivener, hired by Max at the FIA’s expense, determined there were no Nazi overtones to his sexcapade that has landed him in this position. Color me reactionary but I can only assume that had max pasted a fake Hitler mustache on during the sex romp, Mr. Scrivener’s finding would have been the same; no Nazi themes here folks.

What I find more disturbing is The Guardian’s Tanya Gold. Her take on Max’s orgy is nothing short of incomprehensible rhetoric. You don’t have to be Jewish to understand the atrocities of the Nazi regime but apparently you have to be Tanya Gold to outrageously lambast companies like Mercedes and BMW for being German and existing during the command economy of the Nazi empire. There isn’t a person working at either company who was in charge of Mercedes or BMW during WWII and it is reprehensible to suggest that Max’s episode, while personal and preferential, is somehow whimsical while Mercedes and BMW are the real deviant elements in this circus that Max has created.

Tragically Ms. Gold characterizes her defense of Max as harmless as it hurt no one and was consensual. I doubt Mrs. Mosley feels the same. I doubt Mr. Mosley’s sons feel the same. I doubt the objectification of women has ever concerned her. While Ms. Gold enjoys proclaiming her Jewish-ness as a grand equalizer to her position; I find it trite and reprehensible to slander two reputable companies such as Mercedes and BMW with her Jewish Morningstar. She then claims Max’s antics are purely harmless and that Hitler would have been better off doing the same and sparing us the holocaust. How resolutely inept do you have to be to equate the two events and use your Jewish heritage to drive home a point? Quaint. Cute. Chirpy. Kitschy. She should be ashamed.

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WonkyDave
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WonkyDave

Jewish morningstar? Is that anything like the MorningStar of David?

Noddy93
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Noddy93

calm down there Olberman…

WonkyDave
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WonkyDave

Sorry. No offense intended. When I see a play on words, I tend to pounce.

onthepodium
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onthepodium

ms. gold should resign.

Lady Snowcat
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Lady Snowcat

I am not at all sure that if she believes that the NOTW brought the Nazi angle into a straight forward (as in that it had no such connotations) S&M encounter in a gratuitous fashion she should not take the NOTW to task for trying to make money and headlines inappropriately….

I don’t know if Mercedes or BMW ever paid reparations….so couldn’t comment on that….

But I don’t think she should be ashamed NC…

Keith Collantine
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I think she was just taking a cheap shot at something she doesn’t like. It was clear from her concluding sentence: “it’s only motor racing”. When the president of the governing body has left himself open to that sort of ridicule it’s inevitably going to happen in some quarters.

Noddy93
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Noddy93

hey Wonky… my comment wasn’t geared towards you… it was for NC and his Olberman-esque use of “ashamed” when someone’s viewpoint is different. (although I do think Gold went a tad far in her headlining)

Negative Camber
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Well, I would be ashamed of myself if I took a completely errant swipe at Mercedes and BMW like that. Max’s episode is a sex scandal and perhaps it had a concentration camp theme. I say perhaps but it seemed apparent to me. But suggesting that BMW and Mercedes were part of the war machine to kill Jews and they are much worse than Max is beyond reproach. I think the German people deserve better than that. These two companies have been pillars of their country employing thousands of hard working German people and this accusation/innuendo is completely out of… Read more »

Noddy93
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Noddy93

NC… I don’t disagree with you… but then neither of us used Jewish slave-labor to build our automobiles. Well perhaps I have since I drive a VW. Saving your own skin only goes so far in the world of ‘it’s okay… you had to live… nevermind that people were staked in rooms like livestock and when they were no longer able to sustain this for over 16 hours a day they were rewarded with a nice, warm shower of Malathion” It’s a subject which might just be touchy to some folks. Or not too touchy depending on how the wind… Read more »

Negative Camber
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I do recall the Israeli motorsport reaction. I don’t recall a hounding to get it. but if the British press were involved; dang their good at that sort of thing so I wouldn’t put it against them to get the reaction one way or another. Hounding if needed. ;) Max’s escapades are of a nature that affects F1 and world motoring. They are arguably laced with Nazi themes but because of the touchy subject matter, people are reticent to make that claim definitively. If Ms. Gold has an axe to grind with Mercedes and BMW; attaching it to Max’s event… Read more »

Negative Camber
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Keith: I sense you are dead on on the subject. More than likely it is an opportunity to vent. Great site by the way. I have always enjoyed your work. Welcome to F1b; it’s an honor to have you here sir.

Noddy93
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Noddy93

you win this round NC… even if I don’t think that it is such a bad thing if Max’s scandal should shed light on unresolved or ignored issues which are bigger than the sport.

things that don’t matter to some really do matter to others. i’ve had to deal with that fact ever since the entire debacle started.

all that aside my original comment about your tirade being “olbermen-esque” was meant in jest. by the time I finished reading it I heard his voice in my head.

good night and good luck

WonkyDave
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WonkyDave

Noddy, may I ask a favor of you, sir? As a Jewish American, please respond to this statement: If the people running and working at Mercedes and BMW today are still responsible for Nazi autrocities against Jewish people, then all white Americans are still responsible for the near-genocide and land theft of thousands of American Indians, as well as the enslavement of millions of blacks from just after the colonies were founded until 1865. I’m trying to comprehend the points you made above to NC. I ask for your comments not to anger you, but to understand another’s viewpoint. Thanks!… Read more »

Negative Camber
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Noddy: It’s not about winning tiger, it’s just about opinion and I very much appreciate yours although it differs from mine. I did take the Olberman comment as a joke by the way. No harm, no foul. Good discussion mate.

febsterehckya21
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Hence Jewish humor………JK.

Noddy93
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Noddy93

NC… it’s always about winning! ;-p Dave… there is a big difference between corporations and a race of people. Would I say that “all white people” are responsible for “american indians” & “slaves”? no, i wouldn’t. but I do think the United States Government should make good their side of the deal when it comes to treaties and the classic 40 acres & mule. I don’t equate the U.S. Gov w/ “all white people”. Nor do I equate “all white people” with the U.S. Gov. To do that would be insanely racist. BMW & Mercedes as incorporated beings are a… Read more »

WonkyDave
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WonkyDave

Thanks, Noddy. I see your point. I may not completely agree with it, but I understand. Either way, well said sir.

Noddy93
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Noddy93

Dave. If you don’t mind, what do you disagree with… and why? i’m not here simply to create argument, i am honestly inquisitive. above and beyond the circus that is F1, this issue is a serious one and i hope that my previous post shows that I’m open to all ideas. I say this because I truly meant to show that I don’t really have a strong opinion on the matter but fully understand where some might… and justifiably so… regardless of being “right” or “wrong” on the issue. My take on BMW & Mercedes being “individuals” is based on… Read more »

alpha
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it is very good. i like it.

WonkyDave
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WonkyDave

Noddy, the rationale behind my difference of opinion is based on a different interpretation of your definition of “individual.” Let me explain: By saying that BMW and Mercedes (individuals) are guility of Nazi autrocities because of their beneficial cooperation with the Nazi Socialist Party, one could expand the guilt to include all Germans who live in Germany (individuals) because Germans during WWII contributed to and benefited from the Nazi war machine as well (this could also include people from Austria, Czechoslavakia, Poland, France, etc.; but that’s another topic). If the argument is made that today’s German population cannot be held… Read more »