The Russian Grand Prix was a weekend would normally be something to look forward to for Mercedes AMG Petronas as the team had a 100% record at the venue in Sochi. Those good feelings were rattled on Saturday as Ferrari took the front row for the start of the race on Sunday.
Qualifying is one thing, the race is another and Mercedes was rejuvenated at the green flag with a dynamic start from Valtterin Bottas who took the lead from Sebastian Vettel and pulled out a comfortable gap leaving Vettel, Raikkonen and teammate Lewis Hamilton behind.
Bottas’s first stint was something he pulled out of his bag of tricks and was a key to his win. Sebastian Vettel said Bottas deserved to win because he drove better than anyone else on the day and the Finnish drivers does like this Sochi circuit.
Valtteri kept Mercedes’ 100% record for the Russian Grand Prix in tact with a superlative drive and brilliant first stint. It is Valtteri’s first grand prix victory in F1 and a deserving “Driver of the Race”.
Even after locking out the front row on Saturday and despite Lewis Hamilton’s struggles, Sebastian Vettel did make note of Bottas’ pace on long runs and foreshadowed what eventually materialized in the race, the Fin had the pace on long-run’s to win and he did just that.
Win
Regardless of how the race finished for Valtteri Bottas, his start was a real win taking the lead from both Ferraris and leading the race by 4.5s by the 16th lap. Bottas was doing exactly what the team wanted him to do which is be there and on pace when Lewis was struggling. Take the team lead and go for the win. Bottas’s first stint was something he pulled out of the bag of tricks and was key to his win…a big win for Valtteri Bottas. His first F1 win in fact.
Also a win for an outstanding re-start when the after the Safety Car period for Valtteri who stormed to a lead and gap that was unassailable for Ferrari in the first stint.
A win for both Force India drivers to score points once again in 6th and 7th giving the team a much-needed boost and some serious optimism about their coming upgrades in Spain.
A win for Renault’s Nico Hulkenberg who ran 41 laps on Ultra-soft tires to claim point sin 8th while his teammate is still foundering around with DNF’s and pointless races. Nico giving Renault confirmation that they made the right choice in hiring him.
A win for Marcus Ericsson to beat his teammate Pascal Wehrlein and for McLaren’s Stoffel Vandoorne to actually finish the race ahead of both Saubers.
Fail
A fail for Romain Grosjean and Jolyon Palmer who had miserable weekends even before the start of the race and then colluded to take each other out of the race at turn 2 on the first lap prompting the Safety Car. Neither team can afford to have their cars parked with no hope of points and yet both drivers seem to be weaving a similar season of frustration and DNF’s.
A fail for McLaren Honda for insuring a DNS for Fernando Alonso who parked his car at pit entry on the formation lap. Equally, a fail for Red Bull with an odd brake issue for Daniel Ricciardo that ended his race on lap 5. Intriguingly, Red Bull’s Max Verstappen experienced a DNF in Bahrain two weeks ago and now Ricciardo in Russia. Both were rear brake issues.
Ferrari’s strategy was a gamble and it seemed like running deep for Vettel might give him fresher tires in the final lap. It wasn’t a bad strategy because Bottas was driving extremely well but it may have been one of the few options Ferrari had to try to get by the Mercedes of Bottas due to traffic and put stop windows.
A fail for Haas F1’s Kevin Magnussen who was running in 10th early on but missed out on the points and possibly due to re-entering the track in an unsafe manner according to the stewards who penalized him for the action.
It wasn’t a particularly good race for Lance Stroll who was punted on the first lap and then sank to 11th just out of the points while Felipe Massa was delivering points for Williams F1 and they need Stroll to do so as well if they want to beat Force India in the constructor’s championship. Claire Williams seems happy to view this as just a learning curve for Lance so if she’s not worried about beating Force India, then I guess I’m not either.
WTH
A head-scratcher for Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton who had real struggles with car temperatures. It didn’t seem to be an issue for Bottas but Lewis seemed to struggle with oversteer and the car constantly on the limit regarding temperatures. The team said that both cars were struggling with the temps but we were only hearing from Lewis who was understandably concerned with his car’s health.
Who would have thought a car could go 41 laps on a set of Ultra-Soft tires? Sure, the Russian GP circuit is not abrasive but Renault’s Nico Hulkenberg ran the longest first stint of anyone and out of a 52-lap race, he did 41 laps of it on a set of Ultra-soft tires. That’s even better than the normally incredible Sergio Perez usually does.
I’m not sure if Red Bull are comp’ing Eddie Jordan free energy drinks but his podium interviews are a sight to behold.
I’m not quite sure how much time may have been lost by Vettel in trying to get around the lapped car of Felipe Massa but it wasn’t a bunch and while Mass might have done a better job of moving out of the way, it wasn’t really the key moment of the race as Sebastian was always around 1-1.5s off of Bottas in the waning laps.
A bit of a WTH moment as it always seems a bit odd how the post-race meet-and-greet goes with Vladamir Putin. It seems very nervous and in the green room, you couldn’t help but notice former F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone with Vlad and new boss Chase Carey languishing in the doorway.
Russian GP Results:
| Pos | Driver | Car | Gap |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 1h28m08.743s |
| 2 | Sebastian Vettel | Ferrari | 0.617s |
| 3 | Kimi Raikkonen | Ferrari | 11.000s |
| 4 | Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 36.320s |
| 5 | Max Verstappen | Red Bull/Renault | 1m00.416s |
| 6 | Sergio Perez | Force India/Mercedes | 1m26.788s |
| 7 | Esteban Ocon | Force India/Mercedes | 1m35.004s |
| 8 | Nico Hulkenberg | Renault | 1m36.188s |
| 9 | Felipe Massa | Williams/Mercedes | 1 Lap |
| 10 | Carlos Sainz | Toro Rosso/Renault | 1 Lap |
| 11 | Lance Stroll | Williams/Mercedes | 1 Lap |
| 12 | Daniil Kvyat | Toro Rosso/Renault | 1 Lap |
| 13 | Kevin Magnussen | Haas/Ferrari | 1 Lap |
| 14 | Stoffel Vandoorne | McLaren/Honda | 1 Lap |
| 15 | Marcus Ericsson | Sauber/Ferrari | 1 Lap |
| 16 | Pascal Wehrlein | Sauber/Ferrari | 2 Laps |
| – | Daniel Ricciardo | Red Bull/Renault | Brakes |
| – | Romain Grosjean | Haas/Ferrari | Collision |
| – | Fernando Alonso | McLaren/Honda | Not started |
| – | Jolyon Palmer | Renault | Collision |
Drivers’ Championship Points:
| Pos | Driver | Points |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Sebastian Vettel | 86 |
| 2 | Lewis Hamilton | 73 |
| 3 | Valtteri Bottas | 63 |
| 4 | Kimi Raikkonen | 49 |
| 5 | Max Verstappen | 35 |
| 6 | Daniel Ricciardo | 22 |
| 7 | Sergio Perez | 22 |
| 8 | Felipe Massa | 18 |
| 9 | Carlos Sainz | 11 |
| 10 | Esteban Ocon | 9 |
| 11 | Nico Hulkenberg | 6 |
| 12 | Romain Grosjean | 4 |
| 13 | Kevin Magnussen | 4 |
| 14 | Daniil Kvyat | 2 |
| 15 | Pascal Wehrlein | 0 |
| 16 | Lance Stroll | 0 |
| 17 | Antonio Giovinazzi | 0 |
| 18 | Jolyon Palmer | 0 |
| 19 | Stoffel Vandoorne | 0 |
| 20 | Fernando Alonso | 0 |
| 21 | Marcus Ericsson | 0 |
Constructors’ Championship Points:
| Pos | Constructor | Points |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mercedes | 136 |
| 2 | Ferrari | 135 |
| 3 | Red Bull/Renault | 57 |
| 4 | Force India/Mercedes | 31 |
| 5 | Williams/Mercedes | 18 |
| 6 | Toro Rosso/Renault | 13 |
| 7 | Haas/Ferrari | 8 |
| 8 | Renault | 6 |
| 9 | Sauber/Ferrari | 0 |
| 10 | McLaren/Honda | 0 |
I wouldn’t call Ferrari’s pit strategy on Vettel a “fail”. It was a calculated risk that almost worked. It did close Vettel’s gap to Bottas and chase him but I don’t think he could get close enough to the Merc to do a serious pass even with 10 laps left to the end. Did anyone notice how far the cars were spaced throughout much of the race? Sochii is not a great track for racing and even less for passing opportunities. If Ferrari had done nothing, then we would be labeling them a “fail” for not trying something uncharacteristically risky… Read more »
I think I say exactly that, it was a gamble but may have been the only on they had due to Valtteri’s terrific first stint and re-start. In the end, it was a fail to go from pole to second and a strategy that didn’t work but I don’t mean that in the harshest of terms.
I thought Bottas’ very eager thanks to Maasa (and Massa’s grin) at the weighing in very telling. Massa helped his old teammate… no question. On purpose? Ah well….
Are we so sure Stroll got ‘punted’? From the onboard it just looked like he spun on his own and his comments after the race acknowledged as much. I was personally surprised to hear Leigh Diffey go on and on about him getting hit I’m not sure he did. Also surprised to hear him so hard on Grosjean, who was well established next to Palmer and moved over as much as he could, probably failing to realize there was a Sauber outside and back out, but not at all smashing into him in the manner NBCs prince of tired cliches… Read more »
Ah, that’s what I heard too. he was hit and there was a steward inquiry into that altercation between Stroll and Nico. I could be wrong but that’s what NBC was saying anyway.
There was an enquiry, but no further action. The stewards examined the video evidence and it was clear there was no contact. Stroll spun on his own.
“It was unfortunate. I was around P8 at one point, and then I got
squeezed on the kerb, there wasn’t much grib and the car just went away
from me”.
Paddy Lowe: “Lance had an unfortunate spin very early on”.
Yeah I guess that’s sort of my point, sometimes you can just watch the video and, sad as this is when you compare their experience with mine (zero) you can tell more about the race yourself. But I’m sure they have a lot going on and all sorts of voices in their ears and it’s not as easy as it looks.
A brilliant first win for Bottas even if gifted by FERRARI, as I said after qualifying, the only thing that could deprive FERRARI of victory was a bad start-and that’s what happened.
It was great to see Felipe step-in and throw out his elbows on behalf of his ex-team mate at the end, not once but twice.
The only question now is, will the SWB Mercedes be ready for Monaco?
The start of both Ferrari’s was fine, it was once the cars went around turn one that the Mercedes started to out drag them, allowing Bottas to pass Vettel and Hamilton to draw alongside Raikkonen. Karun Chandock did an interesting side by side of Vettel and Hamilton’s qualifying laps, showing that the Mercedes was faster in a straight line, but the Ferrari quicker in the corners. Perhaps Ferrari were running with a bit more downforce than Mercedes, and this meant a bit more drag? It would also explain why Ferrari were able to get the tyres up to temperature in… Read more »
Number 77 won the race at the start/off the line, and that was declared right after qualifying as the only way one or both Mercedes cars could hope to take the Sochi win away from FERRARI. there was no way for either 77 or 44 to beat FERRARI at Sochi except at off the line as both FERRARI cars were faster all weekend except off the line.
Bottas was faster in the first stint than both Ferrari’s, and his pace in FP2 on the long run was better as well, something I missed at the time as I was comparing Hamilton’s pace to Vettel’s.
Faster lap times on their own though won’t help at this track where it is so difficult to overtake.
OK, So 2-3 it was with 77 being number 1, meanwhile GINA extends its lead while Mercedes hopes that FERRARI will get into component penalty mode.
“Bottas was faster in the first stint” some also say he was also faster in the second stint. and yes he was to a certain point, but that only serves the need of those that needs console themselves/needs see that to feel some consolation but does not really understand why and what was really going on/happening. for the benefit of these type of people the race facts are as follows. Both Mercedes and FERRARI weather predictions/calculations for race day went askew or better say were tricked by the expected cloud cover that never arrived for race day. The temperature forecast… Read more »
Is that the graphic that had the tracking of the Merc and Ferrari overlaid on the track?
I hope they keep that going, it provides a much better indication of the relative performance of the two cars, and highlights the different braking rates, corner lines and acceleration than the parallel ‘in car’ video.
“the graphic that had the tracking of Merc and FERRARI overlaid”. I haven’t seen or followed the one shown by Karun Chandock, but MIE said “side by side” What I have seen and which I believe you are referring too is the one by PDR of SKY “STREAM ABLE COM JAH99” for anybody interested to see. this is much batter and tells a lot more than the side by side, the problem was it showed number 44 Mercedes which finished with the 4th best time and not number 77 which finished with the 3rd best time, but that was as… Read more »
The video I was thinking of is here:
http://f1.channel4.com/video/qualifying-rewind-russia/
but it may be region locked. A screenshot is here:
https://theparcferme.com/Community/index.php?threads/russian-gp-2017.24342/page-2#post-65542
Yes channel 4 video is region locked.
I have seen the side by side as well (I have been following videos of side by side comparisons for quite some time) but the new overlaid tracking system is much better, again what I was talking about (the new overlaid tracking system) can be found here for those interested “STRAMABLE.COM JAH99”.
It was the new for this year identification of which car was faster in each mini sector that was useful.
“Channel 4 like Sky compared the slower Mercedes car to the faster FERRARI”. Not that there was much of a difference time wise, but that was what I was saying, there is after all no difference between Channel 4 and SKY, they compete with each other for number 44 fun club position and they couldn’t hold back showing that fact.
Not much difference between the top three (all within a tenth), but Hamilton was half a second away, and four tenths of this was lost in the final sector.
Yes the British media (TV, radio and some print) seem to be very biased towards the home drivers. It isn’t just Hamilton, but Palmer is getting an easier time than he probably deserves given his performance so far this year. I know why they favour the British drivers, but I do wish they were a little more neutral in their reporting.
Fully agree with all you said. do you agree that FERRARI seemed to have negated the advantage of the Mercedes magic Q-3 button effect in Russia?.
I agree that the pace of both Ferrari’s and Bottas was very close in qualifying. Both Raikkonen and Bottas could have gone faster and potentially got pole.
I don’t know whether this is due to Ferrari finding extra power for qualifying (like Mercedes), or Mercedes being unable to get the tyres to optimum performance (as seen in winter testing).
Hopefully this unpredictability will last all season.
I fully agree with your first part (the first three were very close and both Bottas and Kimi could have gone faster and potentially got pole). That FERRARI seems to have negated the Mercedes Q3 magic button advantage at Sochi was clear. as to number 77 he sure wasn’t having tyres performans problems. as to number 44 I am as yet not buying any of the dozen and one things that was pushed out, what I know fore sure is that he was hit by engine overheating, but as I have explained elsewhere, even the two FERRARI’S were so effected.
In free practice Ferrari were much faster than Mercedes (0.670 to Bottas, 0.710 to Hamilton in FP2 & 0.363 to Bottas, 0.541 to Hamilton in FP3). This was turned around in qualifying with Bottas being faster in Q1 & Q2, and within a tenth in Q3. So I think Mercedes are still able to pull out extra performance in qualifying over and above the improvement that Ferrari are able to make. I’d point to Mercedes need to do two warm up laps prior to their fast lap in qualifying to indicate the problems they were having compared to the rest… Read more »
In free practice they don’t use “free load mode” or hardly do, most probably they already by now not using the same race engine and gearbox. That in Q3 Bottas was within a tenth and not faster than FERRARI it means FERRARI has managed to negate their Q3 advantage, rmember that Sochi is a power track that up to this past Sunday belonged to mercedes. The FERRARI has proven everywhere so far that in race they are faster on all tyres. When Bottas was faster on the ultra soft tyres in the first stint I already told you that both… Read more »
Your statement about not using the race engine and gearbox in free practice is wrong. If the gearbox is changed out of sequence the driver will get a grid penalty. While Ferrari fitted a new ICE before FP1, it does seem unlikely that they would then put in an old unit for qualifying and the race. Mercedes have only used one engine so far this season, so they certainly didn’t change. Yes they don’t use qualifying mode until qualifying, but this allowed them to make up several tenths of a second on Ferrari. So Mercedes qualifying mode is slightly more… Read more »
“Your statement ( my statement) about not using the race engine and gearbox in free practice (FP1 and FP2) is wrong.” MIE, The driver will not get a grid penalty if he does not use the race engine and race gearbox in practice 1 and practice 2. FIA engine (power unit) and gearbox rules for 2017. Engine (power unit): each car is allowed 4 power units, including the engine (ICE), TC, MGU-H, MGU-K, ES, and CE. to be used as they see fit for the season. 4 of each of the 6 components are allowed to be used in any… Read more »
While the gearbox rules apply to FP3, Qualifying and the Race, the Power Unit rules apply to any of the sessions. A new element is deemed to be used once the car leaves the pit lane. Mercedes have only used one engine so far this season, so they were definitely using the race engine during free practice. Ferrari have used two engines (Vettel) or three engines (Raikkonen) with the latest fitted before free practice 1 in Sochi. Maybe you have some inside information as to why Ferrari would fit a new ICE to use in free practice and then change… Read more »
Not running the race engine and the race gearbox in practice 1 and practice 2 of a race weekend has been regular practice. That Mercedes has use only 1 race engine so far, doesn’t mean they used one race engine for the whole race weekends so far. While the power unit rules apply to the whole race week end, but those of the gearbox apply only to Saturday and Sunday, up to qty 4 of any of the 6 components that make-up the power unit may be used as seen fit and in any combination. Not running the race engine… Read more »
Mercedes use of only one ICE, TC, MGU-H, MGU-K and ES in both cars (Bottas has used two CE) means that they have used only one of those items in all sessions (Free Practice 1, 2 & 3, Qualifying and the Race) at all four Grands Prix held this season. So they have had no other engine to fit for the free practice sessions. At the point when they leave the pit lane during a Grand Prix event (from FP 1 to the race inclusive) with a new element fitted then the use of the ahdditional element will be reported… Read more »
“Admit it, on this occasion, you are wrong” MIE. Not a big deal at all me being wrong. was a pleasure talking to you.
Out of the four races so far Sochi is regarded as the most power dependent circuit of them all, in fact up to this year’s Sochi weekend it was regarded as a Mercedes track/belongs to Mercedes/made for Mercedes. if the Mercedes qualifying mode allowed them to make-up several tenths of a second on FERRARI, and so being slightly more effective than FERRARI’S, they should have finished in front of FERRARI in qualifying and not behind the two of them.
Except for the problem that this year’s Mercedes chassis has in getting the tyres to work. As the Ferrari chassis is better in this regard if offset the power advantage that Mercedes have. Look at the qualifying analysis that you pointed out, which car is faster on the straights and which is faster in the slow corners?
Hi Dave, the Sky quali comparison was a plan view, and I found it much more informative than the side by side in car view they normally provide. Unfortunately I haven’t found a link to it from my simple search (yet).
Good point about the Sky Hamilcast featuring the 4th qualifier against the Pole, hummmmm.
Of course the one i really want to see is how Alonso in the best chassis on the grid compares to his closest rival (the Safety Car).
https://streamable.com/jah99 is the page that came up when I followed Salvu Borg’s search suggestion.
That’s the one! Thanks Salvu and Dave.
Just like the Virtual Racer graphic that they used to run on the WRC coverage a few years ago.
What do you guys reckon, more informative than the side by side in car videos?
Gifted?!? Bottas was incredible that weekend. First, he beat his more prestigious teammate on Saturday and passed both Ferraris on Sunday. Please let’s not diminish what he accomplished that day. Ferrari didn’t give Valtteri a win, he earned it.
Agree that Bottas earned his win in Sochi, no doubt about that, by first beating his team mate all weekend despite both cars having the same settings and tyres and then by beating both FERRARI’S off the start line.
WTH Massa. Vettel was 0.884 behind Bottas at the moment Bottas lapped Massa in braking for T2. Massa lifted/braked early and gave the preferred braking line to Bottas, which is the proper thing to do in that situation. Then Massa stays on the racing line around the long T3 sweeper expecting Vettel to risk the marbles and go around the outside? Then he fights Vettel for the braking zone into T4? Massa is a veteran who knows exactly how to give a 0.894 second leg up to an old friend. S1/L51 BOT 34.732 VET 34.539 S1/L52 BOT 34.843 VET 35.433… Read more »
There were some suggesting that he helped his old teammate out there. Not sure it made the ultimate difference though.
I thought it showed some clear thinking under pressure from Bottas. He didn’t try and pass Massa in the final sector of the penultimate lap, but stayed behind so he would get DRS activation down the straight to counter Vettel who was within DRS range. Massa said post race that he backed off in turn three to allow Vettel to pass, but there was a misunderstanding and Vettel didn’t go by until turn four. Effective use of lapped traffic always used to be part of Grand Prix racing. It was one area where Senna excelled over Prost. Some drivers now… Read more »
I’d agree on your comments that Bottas was astute in making sure he got DRS before passing Massa, and that dealing with lapped traffic is a core skill for the best racers.
As astute was also Massa in making sure that he gave Bottas the tow he needed / by having DRS, that was help number one Vettel was referring too, help number two was when Vettel came to pass Massa.
another helping hand given Bottas and of which wasn’t mentioned by anybody was the one race lap less curtesy of Alonso.
You forgot to mention help number 3 when Kimi let Bottas pass and the killer one which was help number 4, which Vettel gave Bottas himself by letting the Finn pass him for the lead before turn one. Vettel only has himself to blame for not winning from pole position in the fastest race car.
That Vettel only have himself to blame for not winning from pole position in the fastest car there is no doubt whatsoever, that is exactly what I said after qualifying “FERRARI can only lose the race at the start/off the line” and after the race, “Bottas won the race at the start/off the line”. a note, I am assuming I am talking to “MIE”, am I correct?.
Yes, there is no doubt that Vettel lost the race in turn 1 on lap 1 and there is no amount of Vettel whining about Massa that would change the outcome.
I see you are still up to your old Taipan crash dot net tricks when you are faced with a valid reply. I don’t know who MIE is but I know that you are 1007SS aka Sunny aka Stivala so stop with the alt accusations. I don’t need one because I can answer for myself, thanks.
Admit confusing you with MIE, my bad about that, hope no harm was done. Taipan was a great poster, he constantly made mincemeat out of you lot over there.
Please don’t flatter yourselves. The biased mods kept deleting valid replies that made mince meat out of Taipan’s and your anti Lewis rants and Richard’s pro Vettel posts that it made you guys think you were special. Crash was the most biased site out there and look what happened to their F1 section? Hardly any posters now. Meanwhile, 44 is now a 3 Time WDC with 2nd most wins and poles and has already achieved his dream of matching and even surpassing his hero’s stats and by the way, is still hilariously living in your head. It’s funny how now… Read more »
The mods over there kept deleting replies from the than mass migration from another site (after being kicked out) of the most fanatical fanboys the sports have ever seen, the mods could see the writing on the wall of the potential damage to their site.
For Bottas’s part it was cunning, but it’s not like Massa was even fighting for a spot or was close to closing someone down in the last lap. I don’t think Vettel would have made the pass but it sure would have been a thrilling few corners. So I’m more upset at Massa for robbing us of an epic finish.
In the end, it was good for Williams relation with Mercedes.
The totonator: “sometimes it went against us and sometimes like with Felipe thank you very much, I’ll have to buy him a beer.
Lance Stroll: “It was unfortunate. I
was
around
Hi Salvu, Click in the down arrow in the top right of the comment box, and a drop down box with ‘delete’ and ‘edit’ options should appear.
Jako, Thanks for the guidelines as regards “delete/ erase/remove comment facility. will try next time I need too.
A fail for the ‘world feed’, there was so little coverage of anything behind the top four cars, that apart from the position listing down the side, and the odd lapping, you’d have no idea there were more cars in the field.
I suspect that Wherlien did an Alonso-esque job to keep ahead of the two Sauber cars, but we saw nothing of it, and there were probably lots of other good battles in the mid field, but the coverage showed none of it.
There wasn’t much to show or cover behind the top four, not a single overtake.
Same as the front four then ;-)
Even with no close racing in the pack, I’d still prefer that the coverage isn’t all of the front runner(s).
Agree with what you saying.
So according to you, you are neither a a hamfosu nor a hater, which means you cannot be damaging the sports, good of you. To be honest to you I and my local lot call him LULU, In his last days at McLaren he visited locally (McLaren car demonstration) after the car demonstration he socialized with us local lot for about an hour, and when we told him that he is locally called LULU, he called and spoke to one of the organizers of the event who went and returned with a biggish cartoon box and he gave us all… Read more »
That’s a great story if indeed it was true but let’s not pretend that Lewis is called LULU by you lot for endearment purposes. We’re not born yesterday. The people who dislike him use the term LULU to degrade the man and his accomplishments. No mistaking that. Disliking a public figure is fine but the length you lot go through borders on obsession. Kinda like the fanatics. That’s why there is no difference between you and his fanboys. None.
How about you start giving LULU some support and join me and his fan boys? there is no difference in between!.
It’s alright. You’re doing such a swell job. Besides, you guys all belong together.
You are welcome to join, that will prevent you having to pretend you are sitting on the fence like a brainless chicken of which you are not but really nothing more than a real fanatical hamfosu.
As I’ve said, your crash tactics only work at crash. It doesn’t work anywhere else.